Post by israel-1 on Jul 11, 2010 11:14:42 GMT -7
Understanding The Rapture Time Period :
I believe that all should study the scriptures for themselves. Now here a helpful hint : What scriptures are
BEFORE the 1,000 year reign of Christ through His kings and priests,
and which are AFTER...
Now here is what I believe : I believe that the whole world is about to go
into chaos ! U.S.A. will be hit with
a nuke, in the North Eastern part, and through this, all hell will
break loose upon us. The gov. will issue Martial Law. The gangs in the
streets will rake havoc all over. The revolutionists and terrorists and
gangs will fight and kill, and be killed.
There will be a famine for food. Many hearts will fail for fear . Through all this, a one world
Gov. will be established, and the Mark of the Beast established.
Through all this chaos and destruction, the saints will travail before the
Lord, and bring forth ( birth ), the sons of God. The sons of God will
take control, send forth the decree to bind Satan, and those of Rev. 20:1-6
will reign as kings
and priests for a thousand years, through Christ ( the anointing of the
Holy Ghost ) and then, Satan will be loosed again for a short time,
gathering all the armies against that great city of Jerusalem .
The "rapture" will take place, after the 1,000 yr. reign, just before the
vials are poured out...( Rev. 16 th. Chapter ).
God will destroy the armies, and "time will be no more" ( which means all the elements in
heaven and earth, will be destroyed with a fervent heat ). Then comes
the judgment.
Those that have purified themselves, through obeying the Holy Spirit, in faith, will
forever be with the Lord ( not separated
from His Spirit ), and those that haven't, will be forever separated
from the Spirit of life ( their soul ).
Like I said, you need to search the scriptures for yourself, to see if these
things be so...
Peace and love...
Some books of the bible that gives understanding on the end days :
Psalms
Jeremiah
Isaiah
Daniel
Joel
Matthew
1st. Thessalonians
Revelations
It is good to remember that most of the books are not necessarily in chronological order, and have repeats
that back up and add more to the subject matter...
Here also is some comments concerning it :
Matthew 24:3-8 ... And as He sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto Him privately, saying, Tell
us, when shall these things be ? And
what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world ? And
Jesus answered and said unto them : Take heed that no man deceive you.
For many shall come in My name, saying, I am Christ ; and shall deceive
many. And ye shall hear of wars and rumors of wars : see that ye be not
troubled : for all these things must come to pass, but, the END is not
yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom
: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes in
different places. ALL THESE ARE THE BEGINNING OF SORROWS.
Revelations of Gods Word comes in times ( seasons ). For many years the "rapture"
doctrine has been so prevalent and from seemingly good sources, that
most did not question it ( also consider that not many dig into the
scriptures to find out if "these things be so" ). I know that there was a
drive in me to understand the end days, yet, the more I studied, the
more confused I became. This was because I still had the rapture
doctrine ( as it was ) in my mind. But even considering the doctrine,
there were still some scriptures that just did not line up.
FINALLY......I understood to understand this, I needed to separate the
scriptures concerning it : Those BEFORE the 1,000 yr. reign, and those
AFTER. This thought pattern finally gave me understanding. Now I don't
have all these scriptures written down, but, as someone comes with a
reasoning for a scripture, I can remember the scriptures, and we can
reason together.
Now consider this : There is a tribulation........this is before, and there is the GREAT
TRIBULATION....which is after. The tribulation period began when they
started killing Christians, and is still occurring. The GREAT
TRIBULATION is the time period which is when Satan is released from his
chains, and go forth to deceive the nations once again.
Nowhere in the scriptures can I find solid evidence that the "rapture" is before
the institution of the Mark of the Beast. On the contrary ! The MAIN
scriptures which support the "rapture doctrine" , found in 1st.
Thessalonian 4:13-17. So, let's reason together with other scriptures
concerning this :
Verse 13 ... But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep ( the body is dead
), that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
Verse 14 ... For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them (
those "asleep" in verse 13 ), also which sleep in Jesus, WILL GOD BRING
WITH HIM ( this is explained in vs. 16 ).
Verse 15 ... For this we say unto you ..........by the Word of the Lord...( this means there are
other scriptures supporting this concept ).......that we which are alive
and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are
asleep. NOTE : This is speaking of the END of the world. Now the END of
the world MUST be AFTER the 1,000 yr. reign. Now here is another
concept : I believe, through studying the scriptures, that the 1,000 yr.
reign is a reign through His saints ! No where does it say that JESUS
will physically be present......EXCEPT through Christ....or....the
Anointing ! In other words, those that have died during the tribulation
period, that is described in Revelation 20:1-6
And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great
chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent,
which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years. And cast
him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him,
that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years
should be fulfilled : and after that he must be loosed a little season.
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon the, and judgment was given unto
them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of
Jesus, and for the Word of God, and which had not worshiped the beast,
neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads,
or in their hands : and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand
years. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years
were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he
that hath part in the first resurrection on such the second death hath
no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ and shall reign
with him a thousand years.
Will there be 2 comings of the Lord Jesus ? Well, in a way, there has already been one. And that through the
Holy Ghost. The Anointing ! And this same very Anointing is the Christ !
THIS Christ is what will be reigning with those described above, in the
1,000 yr. reign on earth.
Verse 16 ... For the Lord Himself shall descend FROM heaven, WITH a shout, with the voice of the
archangel, and WITH the trump of God, and the dead in Christ shall rise
first ( Matthew 24:31 read it ! ). Now how can the Lord, descend from
heaven, if He is reigning on earth with those described in Revelation
20:4....? No....He is reigning WITH the kings and
priests....THROUGH...the Holy Ghost ( Christ ).
Verse 17 ... THEN, we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with
them in the clouds, to MEET the Lord in the air : and so shall we EVER
BE WITH THE LORD .
These scriptures are speaking of the END ! They are not speaking of the tribulation time, or, the Great Tribulation
time. They are AFTER...the 1,000 yr. reign.
Saints, we are, RIGHT NOW, entering into the " Beginning of Sorrows" ! The institution of
the "Mark of the Beast" is not too many years from now ! Time to do
INNER PREPARATION !!!
Jesus will NOT leave us here when His Spirit is taken from the earth ! But, that will not happen till He is
ready to pour out the vials upon the earth ( Chapter 16 ) " And they
repented not ", occurring many times, is revealing a stubborn frame of
mind !
When His Spirit is taken from the earth, then, will all the inhabitants be filled with evil spirits.
Revelation 18:2-4... And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying , Babylon the great is
fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold
of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird (
spirit ). For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her
fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with
her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance
of her delicacies. And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come
out of her My people ( the "rapture" ) that ye be not partakers of her
sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
Jeremiah 51:6-8 ... Flee out of the midst of Babylon, and deliver every man his soul : be
not cut off in her iniquity ; for this is the time of the Lords
vengeance ; He will render unto her a recompense.
Now in Chapter 13, we see the institution of the Mark of the Beast....then, in Chapter
14, we read this in verses 12 and 13 ... Here is the PATIENCE of the
SAINTS : Here are they that KEEP the commandments of God and the FAITH
of Jesus. And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me : Write :
Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord...FROM HENCEFORTH...Yea,
saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours : and their
works do follow them.
In Chapter 16, we see there will be no Spirit of God , because no-one would REPENT ! If the Spirit of God was
there, there would be repentance...
We will be gone BEFORE the vials are poured out...
Don't be fooled into thinking that you will be "raptured" out of here before the Mark of the Beast ! Perilous times
are before us saints !!!
There is something ALL need to get into their heart RIGHT NOW ! If the birthing of Israel in 1948 is the "this generation" spoken of in Matthew
24, then 70 yrs. being a generation, the "Mark of the Beast" will be
implemented BEFORE 2018 . The Holy Ghost cries out LOUD ! GET YOUR
AFFAIRS TOGETHER !!! PERILOUS TIMES ARE AT THE DOOR !!!
P.S. Plant fruit trees for those in the millennium...!
Peace and Love...
I believe that all should study the scriptures for themselves. Now here a helpful hint : What scriptures are
BEFORE the 1,000 year reign of Christ through His kings and priests,
and which are AFTER...
Now here is what I believe : I believe that the whole world is about to go
into chaos ! U.S.A. will be hit with
a nuke, in the North Eastern part, and through this, all hell will
break loose upon us. The gov. will issue Martial Law. The gangs in the
streets will rake havoc all over. The revolutionists and terrorists and
gangs will fight and kill, and be killed.
There will be a famine for food. Many hearts will fail for fear . Through all this, a one world
Gov. will be established, and the Mark of the Beast established.
Through all this chaos and destruction, the saints will travail before the
Lord, and bring forth ( birth ), the sons of God. The sons of God will
take control, send forth the decree to bind Satan, and those of Rev. 20:1-6
will reign as kings
and priests for a thousand years, through Christ ( the anointing of the
Holy Ghost ) and then, Satan will be loosed again for a short time,
gathering all the armies against that great city of Jerusalem .
The "rapture" will take place, after the 1,000 yr. reign, just before the
vials are poured out...( Rev. 16 th. Chapter ).
God will destroy the armies, and "time will be no more" ( which means all the elements in
heaven and earth, will be destroyed with a fervent heat ). Then comes
the judgment.
Those that have purified themselves, through obeying the Holy Spirit, in faith, will
forever be with the Lord ( not separated
from His Spirit ), and those that haven't, will be forever separated
from the Spirit of life ( their soul ).
Like I said, you need to search the scriptures for yourself, to see if these
things be so...
Peace and love...
Some books of the bible that gives understanding on the end days :
Psalms
Jeremiah
Isaiah
Daniel
Joel
Matthew
1st. Thessalonians
Revelations
It is good to remember that most of the books are not necessarily in chronological order, and have repeats
that back up and add more to the subject matter...
Here also is some comments concerning it :
Matthew 24:3-8 ... And as He sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto Him privately, saying, Tell
us, when shall these things be ? And
what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world ? And
Jesus answered and said unto them : Take heed that no man deceive you.
For many shall come in My name, saying, I am Christ ; and shall deceive
many. And ye shall hear of wars and rumors of wars : see that ye be not
troubled : for all these things must come to pass, but, the END is not
yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom
: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes in
different places. ALL THESE ARE THE BEGINNING OF SORROWS.
Revelations of Gods Word comes in times ( seasons ). For many years the "rapture"
doctrine has been so prevalent and from seemingly good sources, that
most did not question it ( also consider that not many dig into the
scriptures to find out if "these things be so" ). I know that there was a
drive in me to understand the end days, yet, the more I studied, the
more confused I became. This was because I still had the rapture
doctrine ( as it was ) in my mind. But even considering the doctrine,
there were still some scriptures that just did not line up.
FINALLY......I understood to understand this, I needed to separate the
scriptures concerning it : Those BEFORE the 1,000 yr. reign, and those
AFTER. This thought pattern finally gave me understanding. Now I don't
have all these scriptures written down, but, as someone comes with a
reasoning for a scripture, I can remember the scriptures, and we can
reason together.
Now consider this : There is a tribulation........this is before, and there is the GREAT
TRIBULATION....which is after. The tribulation period began when they
started killing Christians, and is still occurring. The GREAT
TRIBULATION is the time period which is when Satan is released from his
chains, and go forth to deceive the nations once again.
Nowhere in the scriptures can I find solid evidence that the "rapture" is before
the institution of the Mark of the Beast. On the contrary ! The MAIN
scriptures which support the "rapture doctrine" , found in 1st.
Thessalonian 4:13-17. So, let's reason together with other scriptures
concerning this :
Verse 13 ... But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep ( the body is dead
), that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
Verse 14 ... For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them (
those "asleep" in verse 13 ), also which sleep in Jesus, WILL GOD BRING
WITH HIM ( this is explained in vs. 16 ).
Verse 15 ... For this we say unto you ..........by the Word of the Lord...( this means there are
other scriptures supporting this concept ).......that we which are alive
and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are
asleep. NOTE : This is speaking of the END of the world. Now the END of
the world MUST be AFTER the 1,000 yr. reign. Now here is another
concept : I believe, through studying the scriptures, that the 1,000 yr.
reign is a reign through His saints ! No where does it say that JESUS
will physically be present......EXCEPT through Christ....or....the
Anointing ! In other words, those that have died during the tribulation
period, that is described in Revelation 20:1-6
And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great
chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent,
which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years. And cast
him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him,
that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years
should be fulfilled : and after that he must be loosed a little season.
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon the, and judgment was given unto
them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of
Jesus, and for the Word of God, and which had not worshiped the beast,
neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads,
or in their hands : and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand
years. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years
were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he
that hath part in the first resurrection on such the second death hath
no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ and shall reign
with him a thousand years.
Will there be 2 comings of the Lord Jesus ? Well, in a way, there has already been one. And that through the
Holy Ghost. The Anointing ! And this same very Anointing is the Christ !
THIS Christ is what will be reigning with those described above, in the
1,000 yr. reign on earth.
Verse 16 ... For the Lord Himself shall descend FROM heaven, WITH a shout, with the voice of the
archangel, and WITH the trump of God, and the dead in Christ shall rise
first ( Matthew 24:31 read it ! ). Now how can the Lord, descend from
heaven, if He is reigning on earth with those described in Revelation
20:4....? No....He is reigning WITH the kings and
priests....THROUGH...the Holy Ghost ( Christ ).
Verse 17 ... THEN, we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with
them in the clouds, to MEET the Lord in the air : and so shall we EVER
BE WITH THE LORD .
These scriptures are speaking of the END ! They are not speaking of the tribulation time, or, the Great Tribulation
time. They are AFTER...the 1,000 yr. reign.
Saints, we are, RIGHT NOW, entering into the " Beginning of Sorrows" ! The institution of
the "Mark of the Beast" is not too many years from now ! Time to do
INNER PREPARATION !!!
Jesus will NOT leave us here when His Spirit is taken from the earth ! But, that will not happen till He is
ready to pour out the vials upon the earth ( Chapter 16 ) " And they
repented not ", occurring many times, is revealing a stubborn frame of
mind !
When His Spirit is taken from the earth, then, will all the inhabitants be filled with evil spirits.
Revelation 18:2-4... And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying , Babylon the great is
fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold
of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird (
spirit ). For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her
fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with
her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance
of her delicacies. And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come
out of her My people ( the "rapture" ) that ye be not partakers of her
sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
Jeremiah 51:6-8 ... Flee out of the midst of Babylon, and deliver every man his soul : be
not cut off in her iniquity ; for this is the time of the Lords
vengeance ; He will render unto her a recompense.
Now in Chapter 13, we see the institution of the Mark of the Beast....then, in Chapter
14, we read this in verses 12 and 13 ... Here is the PATIENCE of the
SAINTS : Here are they that KEEP the commandments of God and the FAITH
of Jesus. And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me : Write :
Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord...FROM HENCEFORTH...Yea,
saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours : and their
works do follow them.
In Chapter 16, we see there will be no Spirit of God , because no-one would REPENT ! If the Spirit of God was
there, there would be repentance...
We will be gone BEFORE the vials are poured out...
Don't be fooled into thinking that you will be "raptured" out of here before the Mark of the Beast ! Perilous times
are before us saints !!!
There is something ALL need to get into their heart RIGHT NOW ! If the birthing of Israel in 1948 is the "this generation" spoken of in Matthew
24, then 70 yrs. being a generation, the "Mark of the Beast" will be
implemented BEFORE 2018 . The Holy Ghost cries out LOUD ! GET YOUR
AFFAIRS TOGETHER !!! PERILOUS TIMES ARE AT THE DOOR !!!
P.S. Plant fruit trees for those in the millennium...!
Peace and Love...